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NOTES ON THE MEETING OF CAMELFORD TOWN COUNCIL

1 February 2007

 

In attendance: Deputy Mayor B. Grills (BG), B. Lush (BL), J. Bass (JB), P. Clark (PC), B. Ireland (BI), D. Pierce (DP), A. Shaw (AS), M. Williams (MW), L. Crockford (LC), S. Elford (SE),

 

CTC minutes were taken by Town Clerk B. Jordan (BJ)

 

Public Participation - None

 

Guest Speaker

County Councillor Janey Comber – talked about local government reform and the County Council bid for a single unitary status for Cornwall.  Two bids have been submitted – one from four District Councils and one from the County Council.  They are looking at a unified Cornwall – services all delivered by one authority – district councils would go.  Town and parish councils could take on more responsibilities.  The county would be split into 16 local area networks.  Camelford would come together with Tintagel and St Teath.  This would form a local area network.  How decisions would be made is not clear.  A one-stop shop in each town where people could go for information on services provided by anyone (the authority).  At the vote a week last Tuesday Cllr Comber said, “I did not support the unitary bid – I do not think it will represent the area I serve”.  She continued by asking, “How will services be delivered?  Our area is huge.  I am really concerned that the money will go where the population is, but that could disadvantage us”.  She then added that there would only be 82 councillors who would each do the work currently done by one county councillor plus 2½ district councillors.  There will be no question of part time – they will be full time jobs.  That cuts out a huge range of people.  You will only have the one councillor representing you.  The things which we do in North Cornwall for our local communities, for example leisure centres, are far better dealt with in North Cornwall than elsewhere.  How is it going to be funded?  What about the voluntary sector?  They will be disadvantaged.  Cllr Comber then said, “There had been very little positive support from any town or council and I felt I could not support it”.  D Pierce asked how the vote had been split – Cllr Comber replied – “41:31, 5 abstentions.  There was a lot of disquiet, from North Cornwall in particular, the only excellent district authority in Cornwall”.  A Shaw asked if the assets would be sold off.  Cllr Comber said that we have a real problem with housing –NCDC owns social housing, houses which could go to a housing association.  The assets may well be ring-fenced for housing, but not necessarily in the North Cornwall area.  B Lush asked what the district council could do about it – could they lobby?  Cllr Comber said government will make a decision in March as to whether either of the bids is required, then consolidation with town and district councils.  It is important to make concerns felt now.  North Cornwall did not support either bid – they feel it is not right for Cornwall.  Cllr. Comber said that it is necessary to move forward, but she thought we need to work much more closely with other partner agencies.  A Shaw said that several years ago the splitting of the county into three had been discussed.  It had not found favour at the time – what about now?  Cllr. Comber said that government had said they would not accept this.  They are talking about set-up costs of £19.9 million, but she thought it would be at least £30 million.  Cost savings could only come from job losses, and what cost to local services of joining together.  A Shaw asked about refuse collection – a lot of councils are collecting fortnightly, which is causing problems.  Cllr Comber said she did not know if this would happen in Cornwall.  One council has just signed a ten year contract.  If you are going to come out of such a contract it will cost a lot of money.   D Pierce asked if there was anything positive. Cllr Comber said “Yes, one single voice for Cornwall.  We have to look at saving costs.  Government is not going to cover costs like it has been.  We have new commitments which have not been budgeted for.  An increasingly elderly population that is going up disproportionately.  We have to look at smarter working, but my personal view if that the unitary authority is not the right way.  If government does decide to go unitary, I have to work hard to see that this area gets the money and services it needs”.  A Shaw said that he could not see how the smaller communities would be able to cope.  Cllr Comber said she worried about how services were going to be delivered.  She said, “We want to maintain the services to people.  People want a voice which is concerned about their local area.  This is my personal viewpoint.  In March government will decide.  Decision will be made in July and elections for the new authority in May 2008 and they will run in tandem for a year.  Then they will take over.  We have some superb staff at NCDC”.   D Pierce said that she was teaching to the converted and that people volunteering are going to be handicapped.  Cllr Comber said, “The salary for new councillors will be £18,000 pa, but that is not enough to get someone to give up a career.  I just hope the government decisions have the backing of the whole of Cornwall”.  B Jordan said that there is a petition on the prime minister’s website”.

Cllr Comber was thanked and she left the meeting.

 

Letter from Mrs Ireland – B Grills (in the chair) ignored this and the clerk said it was being dealt with.  The meeting quickly proceeded.

 

Town Clerk B Jordan made a statement that since the loss of Jonathan, his stepson, there had not been many days which had not ended in tears.  He had also been upset by something in a shop window and he had just flipped. He said that Cllr Lush had been first in the firing line (on 16 January) and for that he apologised.  (writer’s note – see email from B Jordan dated 8 January, as follows :

 ----- Original Message -----

From: Barry Jordan

To: enquiries@a1fruiterers.co.uk

Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:38 PM

Subject: FAO Julian Harman. Your public notice 

Without Prejudice

 Thank you Mr Harman, just so you dont think this is being kept a secret I will make sure every councillor gets a copy, plus the Councils Solicitors and my legal representative, as you have made this personal I can deal with you outside the Council.

 Many thanks,

 Barry Jordan.)

He also said that if he had offended any other person he was sorry.  He had since been to his doctor and was now on medication.  He went on to say that the mayor had been singled out for criticism; she did not know what he was going to say and ‘neither did I’.  B Grills said the matter is now closed and Cllr Lush had said that he did not wish to pursue it through a disciplinary hearing or the Standards Board. (but see Item 3 below)

 

Apologies – J Finch on holiday.    Acceptance proposed by A Shaw, seconded D Pierce, all in favour.

 

  1. B Ireland raised a point of order saying that he was concerned about item 10a appearing in the meeting as this is still sub-judice.  He continued by saying that there are still two hearings to go and he thought it inappropriate that it should be discussed in open forum.  He could tell council exactly what happened at the hearing on 8 January.  He proposed that council did not discuss this in open forum.  M Williams replied that this had been a resolution from him and he was asking for an explanation of expenses, just money, that is all he was interested in.  B Ireland said that two more hearings are to take place, one to tax the costs and the other to determine how they are to be paid.  P Clark seconded the proposal, 6 in favour, 1 against, 2 abstentions.  M Williams added ‘Will we have the usual cries of ‘it is a secret meeting’’.

 

  1. Receive declaration of interest : given to the clerk.

 

  1. Minutes – to receive and approve minutes of the last meeting, 16 January 2007 – B Lush said that he had written to the mayor and deputy mayor to have minute 8b amended to read ‘The clerk accused Councillor Lush of telling A PACK OF LIES in a statement he made in a recent county court case against the council.  Councillor Lush asked it to be minuted that the clerk was bullying him.  The clerk apologised to Councillor Lush, if he thought he was being harassed and bullied.  The mayor told Councillor Lush that he could complain to the Standards Board if he so wished.  Councillor Lush declined and replied he wasn’t playing silly games or point scoring.’   B Jordan said that unfortunately Cllr Lush’s notes did not agree with his or CAR’s minutes (he was reminded that CAR does notes, not minutes). [You can view the notes taken by CAR representatives at that meeting by returning to the ‘Council Notes’ page].  B Lush said that he had made a blow by blow account of what happened in that meeting and if any councillor wanted a copy of his notes they are welcome.  B Grills said ‘Would any councillors who were present care to comment?’.  D Pierce asked what changes Cllr Lush wanted.  B Lush said that there was a letter with council.  P Clark said ‘May I suggest we append Cllr Lush’s notes’.  B Lush said he had no objection to that.  B Grills said she thought that would be an appropriate solution.  B Ireland asked if the clerk had apologised for calling Cllr Lush a liar.  D Pierce said he thought council should draw a line under this and proceed.  A Shaw proposed that the minutes should stand, but with Cllr Lush’s notes appended, seconded J Bass, 7 in favour, 3 abstentions B Lush, B Grills, M Williams.  Letter from Cllr Lush :

INNACURATE DRAFT MINUTE 8)b 16th January 2007

With regard to the draft minutes of the Camelford Town Council meeting held on the 16th January 2007.  Item 8)b.  This minute as drafted does not bear any relationship as to what occurred at the above meeting.

Leaving early from the above meeting and returning home, I realised it was somewhat important and in my own interest to have the full facts recorded (as policemen are prone to do, and not for the first time) I made a full and detailed transcript blow by blow account of who said what to whom during this most unsavoury conversation that occurred between the mayor, the clerk, and myself.  Copies are available to all councillors.

However, I would be satisfied if this minute was amended to read as follows;

The clerk accused Councillor Lush of telling A PACK OF LIES in a statement he made in a recent county court case against the council.  Councillor Lush asked it to be minuted that the clerk was bullying him.  The clerk apologised to Councillor Lush, if he thought he was being harassed and bullied.  The mayor told Councillor Lush that he could complain to the Standards Board if he so wished.  Councillor Lush declined and replied he wasn’t playing silly games or point scoring.

Signed Brian Lush Town Councillor

 

  1. Items carried forward from the last meeting  :
    1. Footway and Street Lights, Delavue Terrace towards Valley Truckle – letter from the area surveyor saying that street lighting and footway are to be built by the developer, but that his previous letter stood.  B Grills said ‘so there should be a footway’.  B Lush said that Keith Hill has a petition about this.  B Grills said that the footway ended on the grass verge.  It was only a short distance and we need a footway.  This item to be kept on the agenda.
    2. Traffic monitoring – to be dealt with under items 7e and 7f.
    3. Seat in Victoria Road – D Pierce said that things are moving along.  The seat bad been built at a cost of £200 and was being  galvanised at the moment and should be completed next week.  He would liaise with the clerk.

 

  1. Answers to public participation from 16 January – none.

 

  1. To answer questions or observations from councillors of which notice has been given :
    1. Cllr Clark – Highfield Dental Practice – the dental practice has gone completely private and there is no provision for NHS patients any more.  Children have been ditched – no-one is prepared to see them.  Could the council encourage a new NHS dentist to come to Camelford.  Would it be possible for the town council to do something?  There are plenty of shops available – what can we do?  A Shaw said was it not the case that the new medical centre could have provision for a dental practice?  B Grills said that the Primary Care Trust ran the dental side.  M Williams said he had been to the dentist the day before and Dr Craig was there so he had asked her what it was about.  The reply was that the PCT who control the money have changed the contract for dentists.  When she (Dr. Craig) came to Camelford the practice did not have any NHS patients.  The Highfield practice asked its clients whether they wanted NHS.  The reply was yes.  At that time dentists were paid by the job, but now they were given a lump sum per year with set targets, and they feel they cannot do it.  If they do not achieve the target the money is clawed back in the following year.  The body we should be complaining to is the Primary Care Trust.  A Shaw said that Liskeard practice is not taking patients from North Cornwall.  B Ireland said that until the PCT does something the children’s teeth will rot?  B Grills said she could not answer that.  B Lush said that when he went to school there was a school dentist who flagged up anything and referred the patient to the NHS dentist.  Now nothing is going to be spotted, in spite of the fact that teeth are in a better state than they used to be, but they are no longer checked.  Council should push the PCT to do something about it.  M Williams said that Dr Craig would be very happy to go back to the previous contract.  B Ireland asked if dentists have a negotiating body?  B Grills said they negotiate their own contracts with the PCT.  B Lush suggested that council write to the PCT, MP and the Secretary of State for Health.  Proposed by M Williams, seconded B Lush, all in favour.  M Williams to write the letter.
    2. Cllr Ireland – validity of parking penalties – B Ireland said he was puzzled where the £100 came from.  At the sub-committee meeting on 11 September it was proposed that the penalty should be £3 same day, £60 reduced to £10 if paid within 12 working days.  He had not seen anything that revoked that.  He handed to Cllr Grills copies of page 94/2006 from the sub-committee meeting of 11 September and 98/2006 from the following town council meeting at which the minutes had been ratified.  B Jordan consulted his records which said that the penalty should be £3 on the same day, £100 reduced to £10 if paid within 10 working days.  B Ireland said his minutes had no mention of £100.  D Pierce asked what the item number was – 5.  B Ireland said the minutes showing £60 were the only ones he had.  B Grills said ‘it is £60 there (B Ireland’s copy) but once they have been accepted they have to be taken’.  B Jordan said he had no idea how this had happened.  B Ireland said he found it very disturbing that there are two sets of minutes.  He asked councillors to go back and look at their committee meeting minutes when they would find £60, not £100.  B Grills said she thought the best they could do – these have been signed by the full council.  It can only be changed by a special resolution.  B Lush asked when it had been ratified by full council.  B Jordan said it was the next meeting of the council. B Ireland said it was the 19 September meeting, page 98/2006, item 13b.  B Grills said if that was the case it should go back to the car park committee and then taken back to council. 

B Lush said that there is a lot of confusion out there in the town and that this was in no way attacking the person who had given him a ticket today.  He handed his £3 fine and a letter from him to the clerk, which read :

Parking ticket 190

I am hereby enclosing penalty number 190 together with my £3 payment ticket number 62485.  I also enclose a stamped addressed envelope as I require a receipt to confirm that no further charges will be made.

I have taken copies of all the above documents.  You should be aware that I am a member of the blue badge scheme, but on this occasion my badge and clock, although in the vehicle, were not displayed as required.  This arose because I as a councillor had been asked by electors to carry out an exploratory exercise.

It concerns me that the penalty notice does not specify the location of the vehicle at the time of the offence, nor is there space available for this.  To comply with the law, this needs amending.   The presentation of the penalty notice, using old stuck-together paperwork, does no credit to the town or its council.

I ask that these issues are addressed by council and would be grateful for a written reply.

B Jordan said he was in the process of getting new books done and that he would ensure the amendments were made.  B Lush said he had done it as an exploratory exercise.

B Ireland said he had received a very worrying letter from a member of the public who has been very disturbed.  B Grills interrupted, saying it would be passed to the car park committee.

    1. Cllr Ireland – contract for grass cutting – B Jordan said this is a resolved item – it would need to be rescinded.  B Grills said it had been the shortness of the time allowed (to put the grass cutting out to tender).  She added that it had been legal.  B Ireland said that he found that difficult to believe.  The contract for grass cutting – this is not an extension.  If you look at the minutes the clerk said that he had to comply.  He also said he did not do it because he did not have time.  B Jordan said again that this was a resolved item.  B Ireland said he was not saying he thought, but that he knew.  He said he was quite happy to go away for six months, but he would also write to the District Auditor.  B Jordan read out the regulations and said that the reason he had given was that he had not had time because he had not been at work.  Council agreed that this would be dealt with as soon as possible, in August or September.  That is an extension to an existing contract.  B Grills said this would be reviewed in six months.  (See last notes, 16 January, where it said October 2007).   B Ireland said he would not be able to sign the Annual Return.
  1. Items requiring a decision :
    1. Request for parking permits for disabled helpers at the Pop-in.  B Jordan said that he had been asked by Cllr Lush who is one of the helpers.  Mr Peter Blower is another.  D Pierce asked if the helpers were disabled.  B Grills said they should work as they had done with the doctors at the surgery.  We issue parking permits for the volunteers at the Pop-in centre.  As Shaw asked how many people.  B Jordan said there were two ladies twice a day.  B Ireland said he was quite concerned with these people who are disabled.  Someone like Peter Blower, it takes him 5 minutes to get out of his car.   A Shaw said they were talking about people to service the Pop-in centre.  M Williams said he did not think that these should be named people.    P Clark proposed the issuing of two tickets.  Seconded M Williams, all in favour.
    2. Assets register – B Jordan said he had found as much as he could of the assets register.  He was not saying that everything was on here (a piece of paper was circulated to the meeting) and he had put the prices assets were insured for.  He asked councillors to take this away until 20 February.  B Lush said there was a proper Assets Register – a yellow book with everything the council owned, when it was purchased.  If this was not to be found another one would have to be produced.  Council has to keep all this information.  Council need a fully comprehensive list.  If items are stolen the police would need to know serial numbers.  B Ireland suggested council make an approach to Shaws who produce the standard asset register books in case the original is not found.  He did not know what would happen when the internal auditors arrived and there is no assets register.  A Shaw asked if it could have been archived to Truro?  B Jordan said he had found a list of seats.  A Shaw said he could remove the one from Clease Road.
    3. NCDC Licensing of Community Premises, temporary events notice exemption – B Jordan said that this usually cost £21 for each occasion.  What the District Council proposes is that an area applies for a premises licence.  The only cost would be that of placing a notice in the local newspaper, approximately £120.  This would cover any number of events in for example, Enfield Park.  B Lush asked where this put the Easter Fayre.  B Jordan said it should be licensed under TENs (Temporary Events Notice).  B Lush proposed that council go ahead with this.  B Jordan said this would cover council forever.  M Williams ‘unless they change the rules’.  Seconded by S Elford, 9 in favour, one abstention.
    4. NCDC Funding Fact, 1 March 2 – 5 pm, or 6 – 9 pm – for grants applications.  Charles Whitehead to be asked if he would like to go.
    5. Road works starting 19 February – letter from Oskar van Winden.  B Jordan said he had only just received this letter and had not gone through it properly yet.  (But it was on the agenda published a week before.)  ‘Yellow lining’ outside Co-op to be extended to the centre of the road prohibiting parking outside Co-op door/in loading bay. Four finger posts, each costing £1,000.  Can council make a grant.  Free pay and display in Churchfield.  5 days road closure, College Road.  5 week road closure, 5 March – 5 April and again 17 April - 17 May.  B Grills said there would be no road works over Easter, but there could be during May Bank Holiday.  We need to ask about provisions for bank holiday.  B Lush said we were led to believe that everything would come to a standstill between 31 March and September.  A Shaw said no, June, school holidays.  P Clark asked about eastbound traffic.  B Jordan said Valley Truckle to Anvil Court and Clease Road and Chapel Street to be closed.  B Grills said she thought they need to look at that again.  P Clark asked if we could object to Clease Road being closed.  B Grills said we could make representations.  A Shaw said that the sign by the Co-op would be taken out by the first truck to go on the pavement.  B Grills asked if it could be moved.  A Shaw said it would not be seen.  P Clark said that this would force all the parents to drive their cars up Chapel Street.  B Grills said no, they will go up Mill Lane.  Is there anyway that can be made one way up.  S Elford said nothing will come into town.  Corlink will not come into Camelford.  B Grills said this was to do with the undergrounding of the cables and asked council what it wanted to do.  B Jordan asked if a decision could be made about permits.  Ten for a week, named.  For people working in the offices in College Road.  D Pierce said he says no.  Seconded B Ireland. 8 in favour, P Clark against, B Lush abstained.  S Elford asked what about the disabled in College Road – how would they manage?  P Clark proposed that CCC be asked to think again.  B Jordan to write.  No vote.
  2. Items for information :
    1. NCDC Community Facilities Survey – results available from the Clerk.
    2. WPS Town Council insurances – a Norwich Union policy – clerk to investigate when insurance due in April/May.
    3. NCDC Building Control Newsletter – available.
    4. Landscapes South West – grounds maintenance – could be useful for tenders later in the year.
    5. Code of Conduct – consultation document – B Lush proposed each councillor be sent a copy.  B Ireland asked for an electronic copy.
    6. Annual Parish meeting – Cllr Whalley to speak, committee room Camelford Hall on 30 April at 7.30.   B Lush said that if required the main hall would be available from 8 pm.

 

  1. Finance – acceptance proposed A Shaw, seconded S Elford, all in favour.

 

  1. Resolutions or recommendations from councillors :
    1. Cllr Williams – explanation of costs – transferred to secret session (see earlier note).
    2. Cllr Ireland – budgetary control – he said that for this year it looks as though council is on track to be within budget.  Councillors need to know what is left for the end of the year.  Council needs to be forewarned of any problems.  Next year council should be looking at what it is due to spend.  He had brought this up once before and was promised this.  B Lush said that at a previous meeting he had asked how much was needed and he had been told £15 - £20,000.  B Jordan said that £11,000 may be needed to the end of the year.  B Ireland said that if the budget is to be controlled it is necessary to foresee what needs to be spent.  He was asking for a forecast.  D Pierce said ‘don’t forget my seat’.  B Jordan said it could come out of town maintenance.  B Grills asked where the licence which had been approved would be paid from.  B Jordan replied that it could come from Admin.

 

  1. Correspondence :
    1. Letter from John Hough – B Jordan said it had already been dealt with at the beginning.  B Grills said she had not had that letter.  She though the mayor should respond to it.  B Lush asked if it had been addressed to the mayor?
    2. Bowithick – to remain open for 3 – 4 days per week to allow for the site to be open Saturdays and Sundays plus 1 – 2 weekdays.  New regulations will affect the way electrical items are handled and different things may be introduced.  Bulk waste can also be collected by CCC.  Letter asking for comments and asking for preference for weekdays.  B Lush felt it should be two days as well as weekends, but which two he left to his colleagues.  A Shaw said he thought it should be open until 6 pm.  B Lush proposed Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Thursday, 9 – 4 all year.  Any less time would mean the improvements would not be worthwhile.  Seconded A Shaw, all in favour.

L Crockford left the meeting.

  1. Planning applications :
    1. 2007/00002 – Park Lane motors, 16 affordable apartments/houses and privately owned apartments/houses – A Shaw  stated – inadequate parking, sewage system inadequate, problems with youngsters needing to cross the road to reach school, it should be kept for commercial/small industrial use.  It would become a brown field site.  B Ireland asked, should council not be pushing the water board – we should be making sure services are provided.  To next agenda.  A Shaw proposed refusal because of inadequate services, seconded B Lush, 6 in favour, M Williams, P Clark, B Ireland abstained.
    2. 2007/00034 – 32 Fore Street – A Shaw proposed no objection, seconded M Williams, all in favour.
    3. 2007/00049  - 62 dwellings, Inns Park – B Grills said the development line goes out across the A39.  B Jordan said there had been a letter from J Hough to Planning Department about insufficient sewage treatment capability.  Overdevelopment of the site, inadequate infrastructure.  There would also be problems with finding sufficient school places for the children. D Pierce said the emergency services should look at the plans due to the narrow roadways which in the past had meant emergency vehicles dislodging car mirrors or public vehicles having to be man-handled out of the way to allow emergency vehicle access.  M Williams said he did not think anyone would question the fact that the town should grow.  The only way to achieve anything was to write to the developers and  apply commercial pressure.  B Grills said that a copy of objections should be sent to developers, also to SWW and NCDC.  A Shaw proposed objection, seconded B Lush, 7 in favour.  B Ireland abstained.
    4. 2007/00085 – lifting of condition, Deer Park, Helstone – B Lush said that traffic was increasing.  The property had been bought at auction with 23 acres – the owner works in artificial insemination and runs sheep.  He thought council should refuse.  A Shaw proposed agricultural building class should not be lifted, 5 in favour, 3 abstentions.
    5. 2007/00125 – Tourist Information Centre – renewal of permission – A Shaw said it could be refused, this being the 3rd or 4th renewal, but because of development he would like to give another renewal, but saying it will not be renewed again.  He proposed that next time council would recommend refusal, seconded M Williams, all in favour.
    6. 2007/00142 – 24 Albion House – A Shaw and B Grills had reservations about access and parking, but P Clark said that there was quite a shortage of small and cheap places to live and proposed no objection, seconded D Pierce, 7 in favour, two against.

 

  1. Committee Reports –
    1. Car Park Committee 11 January 2007 – B Ireland said, under item 6i, that it was short of a lot of information and in the past there has been some dispute about what went on in those court minutes. He continued by saying, “I have sent away for a verbatim report of the whole case”.  B Grills recommended that this go over to the next car park committee then.  Proposed A Shaw, seconded D Pierce, 7 in favour, B Lush abstained.

 

  1. Reports :
    1. Camelford Town Forum – report later
    2. CDCDT – no report.
    3. Youth Club – B Lush said the extension was looking good.  Still wanting more helpers.  Very good for the children’s behaviour.
    4. HERS – no update.
    5. Mayor’s Report – none
    6. Other reports :

                                                              i.      Sports Hall Committee – D Pierce -  inquorate and reconvening next Wednesday.  However he did have concerns over plans for either shorter opening hours or increased charges.

                                                            ii.      Planning meeting 24 January – B Lush – very informative and interesting.

                                                          iii.      A30 dualing 26 January – B Lush – lobby group.  Proposed letter of support to the chairmen of Cardinham and Blisland and to Dan Rogerson setting out our problems in Camelford, seconded A Shaw, all in favour.

                                                          iv.      Radon information – D Pierce – Tuesday 13 February, Methodist Church 5 – 8 pm.

 

  1. Newletters and Circulars – none.

 

  1. Items for 20 February – already done.

 

  1.  Exempt Information:
    1. NCDC Offices – The Future – Cllr Pierce
    2. Court Case – reference to Car Park sub-committee minutes of 11th January 2007 – minute number 2007/001/6/1

 

End of notes taken by Clare Ireland and Eddie McCormick

  

 

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